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Asked by ExploringDora {20}
12/26/2011 9:54:40 AM I've been a reporter for a few years now, and I have absolutely no trouble taking down the easy stuff with normal, everyday language, and very little medical or technical words. I have taken down a few expert witnesses and doctors, and when I did, I felt I was way in over my head. In the instances when I took down the highly technical stuff, all parties spoke at a reasonable speed, under 200 wpm, but I found myself dropping a lot more than I should. I don't think my problem is speed. I can take down normal, everyday language with a difficult word here and there at 200 wpm. My problem is taking down testimony at 200 wpm that is riddled with words that require over five strokes per word. I am so used to writing things out instead of briefing, I have a difficult time coming up with briefs for words that I can remember. The times that I do come up with briefs, I don't remember them as they come up in testimony, and I end up writing the word out, then dropping the next few words. I feel this is unacceptable as a reporter. I understand that we're not perfect and we can't take down every single word, but I think the frequent occurrence of this is unacceptable. My agency wants me to start taking more difficult material, and I don't know what to do. I sometimes feel that I shouldn't even be a reporter if I am unable to take down all testimony that's at or under 200 wpm, and I'm wondering if I should do something else. I don't want to, as I love my profession, but I feel that I am underperforming and I have no idea how to fix this. I try to come up with briefs, but I end up forgetting most of them. I have thought about returning to school to increase my speed, but I am too busy working and keeping up with other family and household obligations, plus I live far away from school. I've been intending to come up with briefs and practice with them, but that's difficult when every waking moment of the day is spent either at a depo or editing, and I need to fit family time and chores in there too. Does anybody have any suggestions about what I should do, or how to remember briefs? Should I just quit reporting and do something else? |
Answered by pinksteno {1009} 12/26/2011 6:10:58 PM | [1 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
![]() | When I attended court reporting school, which was way before computerized reporting, we were taught to write out instead of depending on briefs. The theory then was if you made a mistake writing a brief you would have trouble deciperhing what you wrote; however, if you at least attempted to write it out completely you would be able to figure out what you wrote. Oh, if only we could strike those keys perfectly each and every time. Here is what I do. If I am given the pleadings I take a quick look through them and try to pick out some words or phrases that I think will be repeated throughout the depo. I write in my little steno book, which I use to jot notes and keep a log of any exhibits marked, a quick two-stroke or one-stroke outline for the phrase or name. Then I J-define it. If I am given a previous transcript then I flip through the word index and pick out names, unusual words, dates, etc. I know exactly what you mean by forgetting the briefs. As I said, it depends on when you learned court reporting theory. I will be reporting 36 years as of 2012, so I think my method has served me well. Please don't give up. As you know, we not only have to write the testimony, but sometimes we have to be alert for nonverbal cues from attorneys who don't like to say "objection" and depend on us to read their minds. Let's not forget the attorneys who refuse to allow the witness to complete an answer, and witnesses who constantly interrupt the questioner. We have to contend with accents, speed talkers, bad grammar, outside noise and other distractions. Don't be so hard on yourself. It will all fall into place for you. When you have the time, try practicing with C-Span's coverage of Congress. That's a good source for difficult material. |
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Great answer - reporter55 12/26/2011 8:57:47 PM | FlagWow, I do the same thing! I've been reporting 26 years, and I always wrote out everything. I will do the same thing, take a long word that's used throughout the depo, and shorten it, and then just J define it. I know most reporters today use briefs, but I could never remember them, plus our theory was mostly phonetically also, so I write mostly phonetically. I agree with not giving up. It does fall into place and even if you can't remember briefs, just make up your own brief, write it down, and then J define it. Good luck and don't give up! - Bustaboo 12/26/2011 10:54:58 PM | FlagThanks. That's why this site is so important to Reporters.We should help each other. I strongly believe in paying it forward. - pinksteno 12/27/2011 9:24:38 AM | Flag |
Answered by IheartMultiCopy {818} 12/27/2011 8:47:16 AM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Dora, Please, please, do not even consider quitting reporter. We need you too much for you to consider that. The fact that you are being considered by your agency to go on more difficult jobs must mean that they have faith in you and your abilities. Please take a deep breath and reconsider. I, like Pinksteno & Bustaboo, have been reporting for more than two decades. God, that looks so awful to see in print (makes me feel old). I, too, write out e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. But I'm getting better, and you will, too. I recently joined Mark Kislingbury's Magnum Steno Club. He has a free trial & I strongly encourage you to write to him & try it for two weeks. However, you may find yourself frustrated with the practice. We court reporters are a hyper self-critical bunch and things that we don't do perfectly throw us into a tiz. I can assure you, though, that his high speed practice WILL help you overcome the problem you are finding yourself in. Let me share my last two weeks' experience with you. I just finished a huge deposition down in South Florida. It was the most high pressured depo I've done in 25 years. Attorneys flew in from around the country. There was top security. I set up my laptop Monday morning at 8:30, and my Eclipse had a software corruption. Basic commands were not working. I kept writing through my panic. One of the attorney's questions had to do with tons of Israeli names. I didn't know where one started and one ended. Long story short, I got the list of names, and produced the daily transcript with the help of a court reporter friend who came to help me edit. I did feel completely over my head. So much so that I was sick the next morning. The depo lasted 10 days. Things got better as I went. I was able to start incorporating briefs for names that came up repeatedly. By the end, I was able to rip out the average 150 pages of daily by a decent turn around time. I've spent the last year concentrating on working on a few briefs a weeks and practicing them. The practice with Magnum Steno, in just four short weeks has improved my writing more than anything else. Also, Anita Paul seminars are wonderful for motivation as well as cleaning up your writing. Don't forget these things are a tax write-off. They are so well worth it and you're worth investing in yourself. Good luck & hang in there. http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/12/scott_rothstein_transcripts_re.php |
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Thanks everybody for being so friendly, and for your suggestions. A lot of you are suggesting to pick a brief and write it down, but often, during those fast-pace depos, I don't have time to write anything down. If I do, I'll definitely try. Part of the problem, though, along with remembering, is actually coming up with something that makes sense to me. I've tried reading those brief books, and I've tried other reporters' brief suggestions, but a lot of them don't make sense to me. The few that do, I'll remember.Another thing I'm a little worried about is coming up with a brief for a difficult word, then being asked to read it back. There was one time I came up with a brief for a long name that kept coming up, and I was asked to read a section back that included this long and difficult doctor's name. Of course, I briefed the name by doubling the first two syllables - and I was going to ask for the spelling at the end of the depo, when I usually do - so I read it back to the best that I remember it sounding. The attorney got mad at me because I ended up totally mispronouncing the name. That's one experience I'd rather not repeat! - ExploringDora 12/27/2011 10:38:11 AM | FlagI think part of the problem you may be having too is that your focus shouldn't be on making up briefs for difficult words; it should be having briefs for common words & phrases so that when the difficult words & names come up, you can stroke them out. If you're pausing to try to remember briefs that you don't use much, you lose concentration and it defeats the purpose. The briefs should be done almost unconsciously. Shorten your writing as much as you can, when you can. Just my opinion. - IheartMultiCopy 12/27/2011 5:22:01 PM | FlagWow, Iheart, did you take the Rothstein depo and produce dailies on it? Impressive! I was reading his corrections and had to laugh, he would change you to you've and a few other silly corrections. He wanted to sound intelligent, but yet he committed fraud, haha.Dora.......I also believe you might be finding med mals and technical cases hard because you're nervous. Once you take a few of them, you'll start relaxing. My favorite jobs are plaintiff med mals, I write all day, and I find them so easy now! Again, hang in there and good luck! - Bustaboo 12/27/2011 7:04:31 PM | FlagYes, plaintiff med mals are great. I take doctors as well, but the plaintiff is not expected to know medical terminology, so it's just a nice, easy day of making pages. - pinksteno 12/28/2011 4:43:42 PM | Flag |
Answered by Melvin {451} 1/2/2012 4:26:47 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Wonderful answer by pinksteno. I do all that, too. But I know what you mean about not being able to retain a list of "invent-a-briefs" in your head. But there is one thing I have done that has really, REALLY, helped a lot. I smush it all up. (I know other reporters talk about doing the same thing). For instance, as an example, I had a depo last week that had the phrase "Focus on the Caller" program. It came up a million times. It's not hard to write....until you get a witness like mine that speaks like rapid machine gun fire. So I scrunched it to "faller." And I knew about that phrase before the depo started because I had time to talk to the attorney before everyone arrived. So pinksteno is right on. Pore through any document you can and pull out "treasures." And for expert depos, they're usually asked what other experts' transcripts they've reviewed. So before the depo starts, I ask the attorneys these questions: other experts' names who are retained in the case, medications or procedure name, etc., (if it's a medical), any "industry" jargon pertinent to the case. Not that we don't understand the terminology; it's just to find a painless way to write these terms that don't come up every day. The attorneys appreciate this. I think it clues them in that they're working with an experienced reporter. And as soon as they recognize this, they seem to let their hair down with me and discuss issues about the case, from which other "treasures" can be uncovered. Don't quit. It all comes with time. Unfortunately for us in the biz, the best lessons are sometimes learned the hard way. They all add up to making us better reporters! Hang in there! The fact you care tells me you'll be great at this job. |
http://www.cheapandsleazy.net 1/7/2012 5:50:18 AM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Hi, Dora. Just a couple of ideas you might try, from a student who reads a lot! :o) First, there used to be an ad in the JCR for a seminar called "You Too Can Brief on the Fly." I bookmarked the page, and you can find it here: http://www.cadyreporting.com/seminars.php?tag=web Alas, this page just seems to tell you there's a seminar they want you to pay $75 for, and it doesn't tell you what the seminar is about, like it used to (sent them an e-mail on that), so you might want to talk to someone before paying for the seminar. Next, I came across a book called "Moonwalking With Einstein," which basically tells the story of the author's rise from a guy with CRS (you know ... "Can't Remember Sh*t") to the winner of some national memory competition ... and along the way, he gives tips on how to remember things, and from what I've read so far, the title of the book is one such mnemonic. I think combining both of these recommendations will be very good for you! Good luck ... and hope these things help you. --gdw |
1/14/2012 1:27:23 AM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I like to use a lot of briefs and my theory is The best place to write down your briefs is in your head. Any briefs that you can't remember aren't worth using. The briefs that you do remember are the ones that you use and don't bother writing them down, because you need them in your mind not on paper. |
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| Katie Wood When I come up with a brief, I write it down. I keep a little book to keep track. This seems to help me. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Jean-Marie Browne I do the same thing Katie and also practice them out. I find that helps. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Kaleisha Straughter some ppl just rnt comfortable briefing... if it takes too much effort to remember them, ur probably not a briefer... start with very simple briefs & see if they stick.... repetition is key! Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Shanna Gray If you are on Catalyst, I find the Brief It window to be a huge help. I have a hard time keeping those on-the-fly briefs in my brain as well so it is quiet helpful to have the Brief It window right there to remind me what the brief is every time it comes up. It takes the thinking out, which is a plus when things are moving fast and you are trying to concentrate on getting everything down. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Angelica Gutierrez Write them on a sticky next to your machine. ;) Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Tracy Bundrant You can print out your job dictionary to help you study the briefs that helped you on certain jobs, then if you can use them again in your next job, they should stick better each time you use them. Focus on 5 or 6 at a time so not to overwhelm yourself. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Trish Fogle In school I used to tape common briefs to my machine to help me remember them. When I am in trial I read the information and police reports and then I create a list of briefs for names and things that I know will repeadedly come up and write them down on a piece of paper that I can easily refer to. I, too, write a lot of things out and I keep telling myself that learning more briefs would make my life easier but it`s hard to find the time to do it. I do, however, have a quick reference guide Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Susan Capobianco take one at a time and practice, practice, practice. Also, if it doesn`t make sense to you, don`t use it. You`ll never remember it. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Cindy Boedigheimer Yes, purchase Eclipse! Their brief suggestions and brief reminder windows are a godsend!! Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Diana Collis Best Brief Ever...infrastructure....FRUKT...makes sense, yeah? Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Sherry Sullivan-Balagna I`ve been reporting a long time 32 yrs and I, too, learned to pretty much write everything out. I took a few years off and when I came back I found a good brief book (which I forget right now what it is) and practiced quite a bit. That helped a lot, so find a brief book and practice on your free time (I know that`s hard to do) Also, I take a lot of medical and when I come across a word I`m not familiar with I write it out the first time and after that reduce it to a 2 stroke maximum. That re Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Nancy Wolfe I make a recording of 10-20 briefs I want to master, shuffling back and forth through that list randomly, then use the recording as a warm-up drill. Within a few days those briefs are in my ears and fingers and I can move on to a new list. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Tammie Shelton-Simmons do you have brief it on the case catalyst software set up...that works for me because it gives you briefs and then constantly reminds you as you`re writing that particular job Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Audrey Ling I picked this up somewhere along the way: If a difficult word pops up during takedown, write OIG. Note what OIG means and put it in your job dictionary only. If another difficult word pops up, use its first consonant sound at the beginning of OIG (SOIG, POIG, whatever) and put that in your job dictionary. This creates lots of job-dictionary possibilities. No OIG words in your main dictionary! Warning: Note in your Depobook what each OIG word is in case you have to read it back! Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Sheri Allen Go to Briefpedia.com. they give you tons of briefs for all words and you can choose the ones that come easy to you. Easy briefs, that`s what you`ll remember. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Lori Mandriota If I use an instant brief for the first time, due to maybe being in a med-mal and having to shorten a five-syllable word that is constantly being repeated, I will put in parentheses in the notes somewhere that X-brief mean whatever. That way when I edit the case, I can remember what I was talking about earlier on when I wrote it. You can make briefs up per deposition as long as you note somewhere what you meant if you think you won`t remember. Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Eileen McEvoy @Sheri....wow... never knew about that site. I just clicked on it....instant love! I do tons of medicals, and this is going to help tremendously. I`ve been a reporter for 27 years, and I write very old school....everything gets written out. Whenever I have younger reporters sitting in with me, I`m amazed at the way they write. They can read all of my notes, but I`m stumped when I try to decipher theirs. I`ve picked up many briefs along the way, but if you have to stop and think of the brie Tuesday, December 27, 2011 | ||
| Mary Kluender Just work on a couple at a time. If I think of a new brief or hear of a good one, I take Post-it and stick it to my machine until it becomes automatic to write. On a per-job basis, I use the oid ending, double stroke, write a note to myself on a piece of paper in front of me, and I memorize it very quickly. E.g.: John Doe, Inc.: Joid/joid. Wednesday, December 28, 2011 | ||
| Mary Kluender I just read Audrey`s comment. I learned it from the guy who used to win all the NCRA speed contests. He actually went to the same school I did, the American Institute of Business. I think it works great. Wednesday, December 28, 2011 | ||
| Alice Buck I think one of the ways to learn a brief is to make sure you can relate it to the word it means. For instance, I use TAEN for taken. As you write it, just think ta`en, ta`en, so you`ll remember it`s kind of a slur of the word taken. Same thing with FRINS, for instance! Wednesday, December 28, 2011 | ||
| Jill Moyle I used to always have the problem of getting a great brief, but if it didn`t come up again for a while, I would forget it. Now I make up index cards with the new brief written in steno on one side and the word or phrase written in English on the other. I keep them handy to review for a few minutes every day. When they get pretty entrenched, I set them aside, but I`ll go back and review them every once in a while to see if there`s any I`ve forgotten. Thursday, December 29, 2011 | ||