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Asked by CtReporter {56}
10/16/2011 9:00:27 PM How many of you are offering audio-synced E-transcripts? We've been doing this for a couple of years now. I e-mail my ASCII and digital audio file to my agency, and they sync the audio with the transcript and provide it to our clients. The request for audio-synced transcripts is growing. It's the future of court reporting to provide both print and audio. Doing so will ensure job security. They've done this with videos for years. Audio provides a more accurate transcript, so let's embrace this and make money from it. Is this becoming more common in your area too? |
10/17/2011 7:41:26 PM | [2 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
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Lol :) Never say never...but I like your assertiveness. I'm gonna vote this up. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 8:16:20 PM | Flag |
Answered by fstfngrs {1742} 10/17/2011 6:24:26 AM | [1 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
No, never heard of this, and I wouldn't provide the audio. The audio is to help the reporter in preparing the transcript, which I consider my work product. It is only for me to use to check a word or a portion of the testimony. I would not provide it to an agency. Our job is to take down the testimony and provide a transcript, not audio. I would guess you are working for the one of the national companies who promises everything at next to nothing to their client at the expense of the reporter?? |
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I'm getting paid more, a higher page rate...video page rate. It's the attorneys requesting it. Agency has nothing to do with it. There's a market for this and I'm making more money. Attorneys are paying extra for this. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 7:36:32 AM | FlagIf you're providing the audio, next they won't need you to provide the steno. This is a dangerous road to travel in my opinion. If the attorneys are asking for it, it's only because some company is presenting some product to them. I would be interested in knowing what you are being paid per page for original and copies without the video and then with the video, if you want to email me, because we can't talk about page rates on this forum, and what state you're in (fstfngrs@yahoo.com), just curious. Are you a new reporter? - fstfngrs 10/17/2011 7:26:00 AM | FlagI meant to say with the audio, not with the video. - fstfngrs 10/17/2011 7:26:54 AM | FlagI've been reporting for 16 years. Court reporting is a technology-based service, not steno-based service. Even the court systems using electronic recording are still using steno reporters to produce the transcripts. There are reporters using electronic recording equipement in depositions also. Electronic recording and voice recognition have been options for years now. I think a lot of you reporters need to educate yourselves on the technology and equipment being used out there, and one way for us to keep up is by providing the audio with our transcripts. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 8:25:38 AM | FlagAre you a machine reporter or a voice reporter? It sounds like you are trying to sell the audio to reporters and not asking a question about it. - fstfngrs 10/17/2011 8:08:37 AM | FlagI'm a machine reporter. I use the Diamante writer with Eclipse software, and I absolutely love our job. I also listen to our clients, and I keep an eye on technology, and try to combine all of my resources to provide the best, most accurate service, which is still leaps and bounds better than electronic and voice recognition. We provide the best service. My intention is only the betterment of our field. Attorneys can tell, while reading the transcipt, if we've used audio or not....they do remember what they said. They like it better when we use the audio. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 9:05:25 AM | FlagWell, I've been a machine reporter for 13 years, and I write exactly what the attorneys say, so why would they need to hear it, too? If he's remembering what he said, he'd be reading what he said. That makes no sense at all. No attorney has ever asked me or the agencies I work for the audio, and like I said, I consider it my work product and would not provide it. - fstfngrs 10/17/2011 8:24:52 AM | FlagIf you work for an agency, tell them you want to start marketing and selling the digital audio to your clients, and negotiate a page rate. Stenograph and Eclipse, etc., will continue to improve their technology, and we will have more job security. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 9:13:26 AM | FlagLike I said, you are not asking a question, you are trying to SELL a product. I also asked if you would share your page rate you get with and without to my email, which you didn't do, so this leads me to believe that you are trying to sell this concept, and this is not the forum for that. Providing audio will not provide more job security. The court systems are using electronic recordings to save money only. Attorneys hate them. That's what I hear from attorneys all the time. - fstfngrs 10/17/2011 8:47:23 AM | FlagMy initial question is above...How many of you are offering audio-synced transcripts. The answer is obviously NONE. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 9:43:31 AM | FlagI can't share my page rate under an agreement with my agency. I'm Not Selling Anything to Reporters. I am selling to clients. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 9:44:45 AM | FlagI'm unique, I suppose, and it's working for me really well. You can only postpone the inevitable for so long. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 10:15:09 AM | FlagAdvisory Opinion 38 actually proves my point, and I follow all of the guidelines listed for providing the audio. It also proves the increasing demand. So Thank You Judy Stein. This is a business, and great service should be the focus here, not protecting our fragile egos and outdated ways of thinking. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 2:24:59 PM | FlagI wouldn't give my audio files to an agency or attorney. Attorneys need to understand it is our work product, our property, and not for sale. They can use a videographer if they want audio. Seems like a scary shady thing to me. - mariannenee 10/17/2011 6:27:37 PM | Flag |
Answered by naolavaughn {269} 10/17/2011 8:16:07 PM | [1 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I know of one agency in our state that is doing this - a FREE audio synched with the text. The reporters who work for them provide the agency a rough draft, the rough is scopist who edits it against the audio, word for word, and then the final is sent out without the reporter ever seeing it again. The reporter is paid less but the theory is they can take more work because they're not having to edit or proof their transcripts! Scaaarrryy!! IMHO!! And the firm is charging a lot less to the attorneys than the other reporting firms. Thank God that their clients aren't asking or expecting other reporting firms to do this!!!! Anyway, I've been reporting for almost 30 years, and if this was a requirement of my job, I would definitely find something else to do. There is NO WAY anyone can make more money doing this job providing an audio synched transcript. That means that you would HAVE to listen to each job word for word, just like a video depo. I get paid half or less than half of what it costs me to hire a scopist to listen to my video depos word for word because it is so time consuming I won't do it myself. I can produce a final 200-pg non video transcript in about 5 to 6 hours. That same transcript, if it's video and I'm doing the listening, it will take me about 10 to 12 hrs to produce that same transcript. In other words, I can produce 400 pages in the same amount of time it takes me to produce 200 pgs of a video. Considering I'm only making maybe an extra 25 to 50 cents a page for video, I can't possibly see where I'm making more money by providing an audiosynched copy of 200 pgs in the time I could produce 400 pgs. I would be making half as much as I make now, which sometimes is never enough for what we do, period! There are digital "court reporters." Maybe, CTReporter, you should consider being one of those. That way you could still provide the audiosynched transcript but you don't have to bother to go to the effort of writing it on a steno machine.
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Valid point. Things need to change in our industry about how we get paid, and not just because of audio-sync gaining popularity. I've rarely seen a raise in base page rate in 16 years. We aren't paid enough for the hours we put in as it is. The up-charges help, but it's not enough.This is like realtime....not everyone has to do it. It's optional. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 8:22:22 PM | Flag |
Answered by Rosalie {1907} 10/17/2011 1:54:13 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I agree with fstfngers above, I would never provide my audio for a few reasons, why should an agency get a cut of my audio, unless they want to pay me the 100 percent of audio since I paid 100 percent of the software, and two, then we are taking business away from videographers, which I think is unfair. We have to save everyone's job in our field, from interpreter to videographer to proofreaders/scopists down to the reporters. |
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I think you're missing the point. It's already being done. Either you provide the same service, or you don't. My question simply was how many of us are doing it. Videographers, proofreaders, scopists, reporters, we all serve a purpose for different needs in the job market. No one is losing their jobs. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 2:01:16 PM | FlagI really don't think I'm missing the point at all. This subject came up last year. There are a few courts that have already laid off reporters, just as recent in the past two weeks from Alameda County, because they are going to audio. There are even some departments in Orange County that went to aduio a few years back, reporters have lost jobs. I think what has happened is the large agencies that do all the contracting, undercutting, et cetera, have told attorneys, use us, you'll get a better deal, we have reporters that will provide the audio, you won't ever have to hire a videographer. - Rosalie 10/17/2011 2:11:07 PM | FlagFreelancing is growing...not shrinking. The key is accepting the inevitable changes in our current economy, and profitting from it in a different way. This is an opportunity, in my view, and it has been paying off. I suggest opening our minds and seeing the potential here as entrepreneurs. We can't control a bad economy, but we can control ourselves and how we do our job, and thrive. It's simply a choice. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 2:36:21 PM | FlagCome on, people...my last comment was goooood ;) Can I get a high five? No? okay... - CtReporter 10/17/2011 3:15:06 PM | FlagBy the way, are you are reporter? If so, what state? Or do you own or work for a software company? I don't mean to sound rude, but it sounds like you are trying to sell this to other reporters. If it's lucrative for you, I guess good for you. I've never heard of anyone doing this and don't plan on doing it myself. - marcieconn 10/17/2011 8:30:29 PM | FlagI've been a reporter for 16 years. I am not selling anything to reporters. The request for audio-sync is completely from the attorneys. I was just curious who else was doing it, because it has worked out so well for me. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 8:39:13 PM | Flag |
Answered by marcieconn {176} 10/17/2011 5:46:01 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I agree with all of the rest of the reporters. (We are reporters, not tape recorders.) I'd never agree to doing this. |
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You say that now...but I do understand why you all feel this way. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 6:27:54 PM | FlagSomehow it just seems unethical in some way - not sure how. But we would never, ever do that. - colemanreporters 10/17/2011 6:44:52 PM | FlagThere was a time, many, many years ago when court reporters would dictate from their notes directly into a tape recorder, and a typist would type it. This was before CAT software was invented. We've come a long way. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 6:48:25 PM | FlagAudio-sync is work product only - a tool for the court reporter. I would no more agree to do this than I would agree to allow a party or an attorney utilize a tape recorder at a deposition. Bad, Bad idea. So sorry to learn that a fellow reporter is doing this - jodycsr 10/17/2011 6:52:14 PM | FlagMany fellow reporters...and the response from clients has been all positive. Again, I get where you're coming from, but we need to be realistic. Embrace technology. That's what it is there for. It's sad that our field could die out because of closed-minded reporters with antiquated beliefs. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 7:04:24 PM | FlagFor starters, what state are you in? I'm in California. If you are also, you may want to check out these sections of CCP 2025.340 to see if you comply: (h) The deposition shall begin with an oral or written statement on camera or on the audio recording that includes the operator's name and business address, the name and business address of the operator' s employer, the date, time, and place of the deposition, the captionof the case, the name of the deponent, a specification of the party on whose behalf the deposition is being taken, and any stipulations by the parties. (i) Counsel for the parties shall identify themselves on camera oron the audio recording. (j) The oath shall be administered to the deponent on camera or on the audio recording. (k) If the length of a deposition requires the use of more than one unit of tape or electronic storage, the end of each unit and thebeginning of each succeeding unit shall be announced on camera or on the audio recording. (l) At the conclusion of a deposition, a statement shall be made on camera or on the audio recording that the deposition is ended andshall set forth any stipulations made by counsel concerning the custody of the audio or video recording and the exhibits, or concerning other pertinent matters. - marcieconn 10/17/2011 7:36:49 PM | FlagI appreciate your reply. It is very thorough, and yes, all of these issues are addressed during the audio recording and in the transcript, just like a video. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 8:12:51 PM | Flag |
Answered by Kutange {134} 10/17/2011 5:47:07 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
In what area of the country do you work, ctreporter? |
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Answered by Bustaboo {602} 10/17/2011 9:02:48 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
LOL, I couldn't provide an audio, I'm on Case Cat 3.2 still!!! I provide a transcript. I've been doing this since 1986, and only once I had to synch a transcript to an audio, and there was a videographer there and gave me the audio. I am finally thinking of going to Case Cat 12, but worried I have to learn new software. I'm so old school! My friend is still on Premiere Power, so I don't feel that bad, haha. |
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Lol :) I started on Premiere Power too. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 9:57:29 PM | FlagHaha, I started on X-Scribe! I also remember when I had to dictate from my notes. I also used to type my own transcripts for a while with a typewriter and three sheets of paper with the horrible carbon paper in between them! If I made a typo, I had to use White-Out on all three sheets. So glad times have changed! God I feel so old, haha! - Bustaboo 10/17/2011 10:09:33 PM | FlagToo funny :)Learn the new software. It's good for your mind and soul to learn new things. - CtReporter 10/17/2011 10:18:27 PM | Flag |
Answered by andicsr {52} 10/17/2011 11:48:55 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
It's hard to believe you're not involved in the money end of this somehow, somewhere, some way. When I say "the money end," I am not speaking about higher page rates to you. I have the feeling you're not either. Personally, I think you're nuts and should go into sales. You're certainly pushy enough for it. Leave the reporting to the real reporters :) |
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Answered by CtReporter {56} 10/18/2011 5:44:27 AM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I'm not selling anything. I was just asking a question. I'm baffled at some of your comments. Court Reporters ARE SALESPEOPLE! We proove our worth every day at every job. Things need to change in this profession so that it will attract MORE reporters, and so attorneys won't want to replace us. Success rates for finishing CR school are lower than ever. Even the schooling needs to change. Change starts with us....the court reporters. |
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This is who I am... http://courtreportinglife.typepad.com/court-reporting-life/ - CtReporter 10/18/2011 5:45:41 AM | Flag |
Answered by Rose {34} 11/8/2011 4:21:25 AM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Never heard of it and I'd never give it up either. Sounds fishy. Still won't share what state she/he works in. I don't see how this is the future of court-reporting. Probably works for one of those agencies that are putting small firms out of business for a nickel less a page. |
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This is what happened...and I'm telling you all of this to HELP YOU.I noticed ALL agencies, on occasion, were giving audio-synced transcripts to clients WITHOUT paying the reporters extra.I also noticed the court system sending their electronic recordings to us, stenographers, to transcribe, because it's the fastest and best way to produce a transcript. They are basically paying less to have it recorded by a state employee, and then using indepenent contractors to provide the transcripts. That's how the courts are saving money.So one day, I decided to take matters into my own hands and take control of, at least, my career. I bought a nice, expensive digital recorder with external microphones. I went to the deposition and introduced audio-synced transcripts as a NEW product to the attorneys. I made a brief introduction on the record similar to a video intro.Videographers are safe. Audio-synced transcripts satisfies a different purpose than video.At the end of the dep I informed the attorneys that, in addition to the regular page rate, this will cost AN ADDITIONAL HOURLY FEE FOR THE REPORTER, because of the additional equipment and the extra time it takes to produce the transcript. The hourly fee is for each hour you are at the deposition.They all wanted it, and they were all willing to pay extra.That day I basically created a new product that I have control over.I presented it to my agency after I did it so that everything is documented ahead of time. I have a transcript as proof, so they can't steal this idea.Not only is this the future, it is the present because agencies were doing this already without paying us. I demand we get paid for it, and so should you. - CtReporter 11/8/2011 5:24:33 AM | FlagAlso, I need feedback about my blog. I'm trying to make court reporting sound interesting, fun and a great career by sharing personal stories and advice, but I'm not sure where to go with it. I want all of us to start changing how court reporting is perceived, so I started my own little blog.It's courtreportinglife.typepad.com. You should all start blogs too if you can spare the time. It is a great creative outlet, which I needed. - CtReporter 11/8/2011 5:33:15 AM | Flag |
Answered by CtReporter {56} 11/8/2011 9:21:53 AM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I wrote a little post regarding this topic: Take Control and Get Paid For It |
Answered by Rose {34} 11/8/2011 3:36:06 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Oh, so you came up with the concept? We all have to thank you, then. I always thought it was the one of the many CAT software companies who did. FYI, I am neither disillusioned, lost, uninformed nor searching for what to do next, and I feel many of my colleagues feel the same way. You still won't tell us what state you're in. I've never heard of an agency doing this and mine certainly doesn't nor would ever. Also, I would never transcribe another reporter's notes from a court proceeding the way you describe it because I wasn't there UNLESS there was a legitimate emergency. Then I would only consider trying to help out. I don't see how your idea helps us. I agree with Andi. As he stated above, "Personally, I think you're nuts and should go into sales. You're certainly pushy enough for it. Leave the reporting to the real reporters." |
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Actually, Rose, you sound like someone who owns a big agency and doesn't want to pay their reporters what they deserve.For those of you who don't need this information, then you are very fortunate, and I am glad to hear that this is not affecting the entire court reporting community.For those of you who contacted me directly and I was able to help, I was happy to do so. I don't blame you for not speaking up in this forum, and I promise to continue addressing issues like this in the future. - CtReporter 11/8/2011 4:54:59 PM | Flag |
Answered by Rose {34} 11/8/2011 5:30:44 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I never said I own an agency. If I did, I'd have stated so. But you sound like you do, or at least you should. I work for a very ethical and fair firm in the San Francisco Bay Area and I've been working a lot longer than you have. What I think is hurting our profession is people like you. The written steno IS the official record, not the audio file as you're peddling it. You seem to be so on top of things and know so much. More power to you, then, for "helping" some of those lost and uninformed souls. I feel for them. You still won't share what state you're in. |
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Obviously I won't share what state I'm in. The owner of my agency could be monitoring this thread. I need to be able to share information anonymously on my blog, so my personal information is private.My intention was simply to ask the question. It started an unexpected dialogue, so I decided to share some information, and it helped some people out there. I know exactly how you feel, Rose. I felt the same way you do not that long ago, but time changes things. We no longer use a pencil and paper and do shorthand. Technology is changing, and I've chosen to embrace that. You have no need to do the same, so congrats. You are luckier than I. - CtReporter 11/8/2011 6:26:30 PM | Flag |
Answered by scully044 {16} 11/26/2011 10:40:25 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I'm from Illinois and the law says, the steno notes should be kept for a period no less than 5 years. Does it means the audio file associated with the steno notes, too? Or only the steno notes had to be kept but the audio files can be deleted? Please if you know about this, respond to this post. Thanks. |
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I keep both the audio and steno now because many clients are purchasing both. Also, since electronic audio recording is more accurate and gaining popularity, our clients are requesting the use of audio because they are now checking for accuracy as well. I keep both in case there's a question about the transcript. - CtReporter 11/27/2011 7:18:13 AM | Flag |
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| Robin Ashby Heck no Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Lisa Rollins Nope - never heard of this being done before Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Linda Mahoney Had to do it once and wasn`t asked to do it until the end of a two-day dep. I had to go through the whole thing and extract any breaks, off-the-record anything. I would have paused it if I had known BEFORE. It was a nightmare! Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Deana Scobee I agree completely with Paige!! Clients get audio synced only if they order a videographer. Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Judy Stein Uh, no! Seriously, read this NCRA advisory opinion: http://ncraonline.org/NCRA/advisoryops/Advisory/038.htm Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Echo Cat never heard of anyone having to do this. Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Nancy Hartigan Swartz NO WAY. I use audio sync for myself as a back up ONLY! What about when the lawyer leaves the room with his client and you forget to turn the audio off and the other lawyer consults with his client? I have been asked for my audio and when I state to the attorney that if I provide it to him, I must provide it to the other attorney, he quickly says never mind. No, it is mine and mine only! Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Vertina Yeargin Audio sync is work-product for the court reporter, only given up when ordered by a Judge! Period. Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Robin Sherman We`re our own worst enemies. Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Laura Klingenberg Fowler There`s no way I would provide it. I echo everything everyone else said. Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Kim Murphy I still don`t use audio-what I have IS the transcript. Other than a few times parties complaining I didn`t have in the transcript what was off-the-record :) it`s never been a problem. Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Monique Gentry disgrace to our profession to even suggest or offer i! I`m shocked to see it on readback.org! shame on you! Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Sarah Montealegre Yuck! Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Amanda Leigh It was ctreporter who posted this. Go to ReadBack`s website (or look at the thread if it was emailed to you as being one of top five for the week) and read the several replies by ctreporter to fstfingers--joined, says, 22 hours ago. Good goin`, fstfingers! Monday, October 17, 2011 | ||
| Mia Clark Wow, Paige nailed it. Are you kidding me, even suggesting this? Thursday, October 20, 2011 | ||