How do I punctuate the following sentence:
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Asked by CaliforniaScribe {110}
5/3/2011 7:33:21 AM "I'm looking at this from a trier of facts point of view."
This is boggling my mind, everyone! Thanks, Olivia 
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 |  Answered by CallipygianinCali {230} 5/12/2011 5:13:25 PM | [2 Votes] Vote this up Vote this down Flag as inappropriate |
 | Yeah. I definitely agree with Jennifer and most of the more recent answers. It is not a trier of facts; it is a trier of fact. You do not need the hyphens here either
trier of fact's point of view just like judge's point of view interim judge's point of view stupid counsel's point of view.......lol
The trier of fact is just the noun subject of whose point of view it is. It is not a modifier that would be hyphenated. |
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CallipygianinCali, I'm going to add your very last suggestion into the transcript! ;) - CaliforniaScribe 5/13/2011 5:00:00 PM | Flag |
| Answered by courtrptr {339} 5/3/2011 12:27:06 PM | [0 Votes] Vote this up Flag as inappropriate |
I think it's fine without any punctuation. If it's the judge or arbitrator speaking, it should be left as is because he/she is the trier of facts |
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|  Answered by CaliforniaScribe {110} 5/3/2011 11:36:15 AM | [0 Votes] Vote this up Flag as inappropriate |
It is Counsel speaking about the arbitrator. Will that make a difference in punctuation? |
| Answered by CaliforniaScribe {110} 5/4/2011 10:22:05 AM | [0 Votes] Vote this up Flag as inappropriate |
I appreciate all the input! So many different suggestions. Indeed, this is a tricky one. Marian for President!!! Thank you :) |
| Answered by lindasimpson {209} 5/9/2011 6:55:46 PM | [0 Votes] Vote this up Flag as inappropriate |
How about this: trier-of-facts' point of view? Then you have your noun defined, possessive. |
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 | Susan Love I would just put the apostrophe after facts. Tricky, because it`s not really a plural noun, only the modifier, but facts`s just looks odd. So trier of facts` point of view is what I`d do. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Irene Elliott Yikes!!! Agree with Susan. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Lisa Fitzgerald I agree with Susan Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Marian Kirby I`m looking at this from a trier-of-facts` point of view. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Lee Walker Marian is the winner!! Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Diana Yauchler Agree w Susan, also! Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Jackie Sigwing I agree with Marian, but also you wouldn`t need any punctuation except the quote marks around the sentence if it`s a quote of THE trier of facts. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Susan Love Huh. Interesting. In 20 years of scoping, it`s never occurred to me to hyphenate trier of facts -- and this is the first time I`ve seen it, too. Just goes to show there`s often more than one correct way to punctuate. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Audrey Ling I see trier of facts as an adjective describing point of view, not as a possessive. I don`t think it needs any punctuation. I wouldn`t hyphenate trier of facts just as I wouldn`t hyphenated life insurance followed by policy. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Jennifer Billstein-Miller I agree with Marian. And, Marian, that`s my mom`s name, spelled the same way. :) most spell it with an o Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Annie Roca I agree with Audrey, it is fine the way it is. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Aimee Miller Marian Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Susan Love Two things. First, another way to say it would be from the point of view of the trier of facts. Awkward, but that would eliminate the punctuation difficulties. Substitute judge or the Court or arbitrator for trier of facts. Trier of facts is definitely a noun.Second, if trier of facts is a modifier of opinion, then you would need to hyphenate it (as in on-the-job training versus training on the job or over-the-counter medications versus medications obtained over the counter). Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Marian Kirby Proper punctuation is very important, but I think sometimes we get too bogged down in the trimmings, punctuation, numbers or words, etc. In my thirty-six years on the job, I`ve found that most lawyers don`t give a hoot about highfalutin punctuation, since they don`t know how to do it themselves ;-). They want an accurate transcript, and they want it as fast as possible, and with a smile, a thank-you, and a cheap price tag. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Marian Kirby Very well put, Susan. I was too lazy and coffee deficient to do the research this morning. Or should I say I was a lazy, coffee-deficient person this morning? Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Brad Cook I think you could also go with Marian`s example but without the apostrophe, like this:I`m looking at this from a trier-of-facts point of view. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Gina Petty Marian is right! Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Linda Barry I`m with Marian! Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Michelle Iadonisi Eak I`m looking at this from a trier of facts` point of view. You don`t need commas or quotes. They`re not quoting anything. It`s just a statement. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Jennifer Billstein-Miller I couldnt have explained it better, Susan! Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Jennifer Simmons Isn`t it trier of fact, singular? So it should be fact`s? My judge always says, As the trier of fact... Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Chris Warden Michelle is correct. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Erica Schueler Why the apostrophe? It is not showing possession nor is it a contraction. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Marian Kirby I was thinking apostrophe because I also substituted other words like layman`s point of view, mother-in-law`s point of view. That`s the way I read it. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Michelle Iadonisi Eak Jennifer, I was thinking it could be singular, too, as the trier of fact`s point of view It`s an apostrohe because it`s possessive; example, Judge`s point of view. It`s not plural, judges, it`s possessive, his point of view. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Trish Fogle I agree with Jennifer. I see it as singular, and think there should be an apostrophe. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Rosanna Gillette I agree with you, Michelle. The point of view belongs to the trier of fact. Therefore, trier of fact`s point of view is correct. But I definitely agree with Marian, too. We lose sleep over the little details and attorneys are looking for fast and cheap, not a misplaced apostrophe. Don`t stress over it too much. Now a glaring misspelled word, maybe. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Eileen O`Toole Trier of fact/facts (presumably, there`s more than one fact) is a compound noun. Therefore, no hypehnation as an adjective. The plural would be triers of fact/facts. Never use a hyphenated compound adjective together with a possessive phrase: two-week vacation or two weeks` vacation, not two-weeks` vacation. I vote for trier of facts` point of view. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Hugh Gunn No biggie here, I don`t think. I am looking at this from a trier of fact`s point of view. The a would make the trier of fact`s one trier, not multiple. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Tanya McCreary I`m with Hugh.....think of it as I`m looking at it from a jury`s point of view. Hope that helps! Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Tanya McCreary Went back and looked at other comments and totally disagree with facts`. This is one person`s or one collective group`s point of view; therefore, trier of fact`s point of view. Otherwise it would be triers of fact. I would not hyphenate either. Would you hypenate driver of the car`s point of view? I wouldn`t. Just my experience from 20+ years of reporting. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
| Susan Love It`s funny how when you read something, rather than hear it spoken, it changes your response. Of course it should be trier of fact`s. What was I thinking? I saw it written as facts and just assumed the plural. If I were scoping this and heard it said, I would not make it plural, just a singular possessive. So, Jennifer S., I agree with you. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Maria Riggs I think the cleanest way is what Brad suggested up above. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Lynne Dalton The term of art is trier of fact, not plural, meaning the judge. It is his point of view, which is where the possessive comes in. So trier of fact`s point of view, just as you would say the judge`s point of view. Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Tina Bussiere I agree with Marian Wednesday, May 04, 2011 | |
 | Laura Klingenberg Fowler After reading everyone`s comments and pondering the question myself, I would put trier of fact`s point of view. Hyphens just add clutter and are nonessential to the sense of the statement. Thursday, May 05, 2011 | |
Thank you. I ended up doing it that way you do it. It looked fine. I had...
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