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Asked by dinosaur {31}
11/24/2010 6:39:25 PM I recently washed out of a court reporting program by not progressing fast enough. My experience while there seemed to indicate that older students were not progressing as quickly for the amount of effort expended as younger students. I began to wonder if anyone who started learning steno later in life, say after age 50, ever actually obtained a certification. |
11/25/2010 1:03:42 AM | [3 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
![]() | I started CR school when I was 42. Had to drop out for eight -- yes EIGHT years. Went back at age 50. Got my CSR at 51. Anyway, I hope I can continue this until my fingers just won't move anymore or my brain gives out -- whichever comes first. Such a great career. I'm so thankful that I hung in there. |
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Keep it up, it takes a lot of time and practice. I'm still learning and practicing and refining and I've been reporting since the 70s. Good luck, my friend - courtrptr 11/26/2010 2:14:10 PM | Flag |
11/24/2010 10:13:43 PM | [2 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
The truth is that roughly 93% of the students who go to CR school will never graduate, so in answer to Dino's question, it's not exclusive to older students not finishing school but also younger students. Every student is different, but I would say the advantages for each group are that younger students were brought up in a technological generation when you look at I-Pods, Facebook, texting, and computers. Older students, on the other hand, seem to persevere when it comes to practice and having terrific attendance, at least is the case at my school. The universal qualities that make a successful court reporting student, at least that I've experienced, is to have the utmost desire of being the best student they can be. This means constantly looking for ways to improve your writing whether practicing keystrokes or looking for briefs for high frequency words. You need to absolutely, unequivocally want this career, as those who are simply in it for the money or as something to do as a job long disappear by the higher speeds. You need to wake up every morning looking at your day at school as an opportunity rather than a chore. You have to be open to suggestions from peers and instructors on how you can become a better writer and be willing to adapt to an ever-changing industry. While there are about hundred more factors that go into being a successful court reporting student, those are simply a few off the top of my head. If you can identify with all of those, Dino, and have had time to reflect on where you could have improved in your previous program, I would certainly recommend giving it another go-around. Good luck to you. |
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I am a CART provider. I started school at 50. 6 years and 2 states later...voila! I have never regretted perservering. Go for it! - Sonja Lewis Blake 11/28/2010 8:23:17 PM | Flag |
Answered by pinksteno {1009} 11/24/2010 6:45:54 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I had a "vintage wine" student sit in with me, but I don't know if she completed the program. She was able to keep up with the speed of the deposition, so it can be done. Would you explain in more detail your statement "not progressing fast enough"? I find it odd that only the older students were not keeping up. I will be entering my 35th year as a Reporter, and I know many Reporters who have been working for more than 20 years, so something's wrong here. Baby Boomers have a great deal to offer the profession. How about trying another program?
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Answered by dinosaur {31} 11/24/2010 8:25:50 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Pinksteno; the school I attended required that speed tests be passed on a regular basis in order to remain in the program. I just wasn't passing tests often enough. I am trying to make a distinction here between people who learned when they were younger and are still able to exercise their skill as seniors, and those like me who didn't even try to learn until they were already older. |
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I cannot answer this directly -- e.g., no, I don't know anyone like that -- but I would like to speak to it anyway. Given that you are my contemporary, you almost certainly have a wealth of skills that may not necessarily help you in school, but will be invaluable and push you miles ahead of younger newbies when you start reporting. For one thing, education was better when we were kids. I do believe that trends in the late '70s and '80s short-changed young people and failed to provide them with vital skills, notably in the area of literacy. It is not at all uncommon for me to receive an utterly appalling email from a 20-something agency employee who has repeatedly shown a lot of good judgment and maturity. This says to me that it's not even necessarily their fault personally; they just weren't taught that literacy was important. Second, the legal world can be difficult to navigate interpersonally. There are so many other issues -- personal organization, being able to work under pressure of deadlines, knowing when to assert yourself and how to do so -- that are far easier when you're 50 than when you're 30. I hope you will give reporter training and yourself another chance here. Try another program. The school doesn't necessarily know everything. I was generally not impressed with CR schools available to me, so I actually ended up teaching myself, something I no longer support since there are now online programs. Yes, give it another try, and perhaps one of those would be better suited to you.Cathryn Bauer - Cathryn Bauer 11/28/2010 2:09:13 PM | Flag |
Answered by cre8ivredhead {37} 11/25/2010 5:35:09 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
Frst, can I say that "dinosaur" is a matter of perspective. I'm 53...I began school a year and a half ago....there's another girl that began with me, she's 54. I wanted to repond to your question... No, I don't...not yet. However, I'll save your name & let you know when we finish!! ...and yes, we've struggled. I won't bore you with the gory details unless you really wanna know. How far along did you get?
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Good for you! At our age,Miss and girl are most welcome. I wish you and your friend the best of success. - pinksteno 11/26/2010 4:33:27 PM | FlagI also wish you and your friend the best of luck. I was in the midst of trying to pass a 180 Q&A. I don't want you to think that I have given up the quest, because I haven't. I simply am not enrolled at that particular school any longer. - dinosaur 11/26/2010 6:05:08 PM | Flag |
11/28/2010 5:28:37 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I'm glad to hear you haven't given up the quest. I was 38 when I started and it took almost four years to finish. I have to say that I did notice that the youngsters by and large (not all) did seem to pass through the speed levels faster than us more "mature of age" folks. So the real question is whether you want to be a court reporter. If the answer is yes, you've certainly come far enough in the program to prove that you can finish. Just in case this encourages you, I wanted to mention that it took 3 years and 7 months for me to reach my 180s. Then I passed all 180s, 200s, and 225s in about 8 weeks. It was really kind of freaky, like, God just said it's time to finish and start working. I was only in 225 for 2 weeks. Of course I wouldn't want to pass along an expectation that would end up dissapointing you, but merely wanted you to know that it can happen. If I had continued at the rate I was going, I "should" have been in school another year and a half to two years. God works in mysterious ways. Do you mind sharing how long it has taken you so far to reach the 180 level? Not that there's a formula or anything. Just curious how long you've been at it. So bottom line is that if you want to be a court reporter, then be a court reporter and don't give up. Bear down, practice hard, and do it! Good luck to you. BTW, I'm 45 now and have much success in this business and so glad I persevered. I'm coming up on completing my third year of reporting and it's truly $paying$ off. ;) You can do it!!! |
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Answered by smf09 {78} 12/3/2010 2:59:01 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I totally think you can do it! I struggled and hit my plateou around the 180's as well. Also, don't get too down on yourself on the Q&A's, it is the hardest section of the three. It took me 4 1/2 yrs to get through while working part time, and getting married, and I'm 23. I think you were right on track. It really helped me to have a friend to help push each other along, and always talking CRing to keep my mind into it, and just keep my motivation there. Having a friend to talk to during the week just so you can say I have too much going on, I've got to sit down and practice, and she's there to listen. Your spouse or family only knows so much and can be supportive, but not like a fellow student who know exactly what your going through. I guess this was my best kept secret for getting through school. Uping your practice time, and practicing at least 20 wpm faster than what you are testing at is going to be key. Remember to slow it down to goal speed when you get frustrated and your fingers don't want to move at those high speed that day for some reason. Bringing your speed to goal will improve acurracy and maily just keep your fingers moving which is good for that repition to make it second nature. I go to the library sometimes to get away from the distractions at home. It helped me to think that this is my allotted time in my life to do this, and I'm going to do it and beat the odds just to show myself I can do it. I say don't let your age hold you back! 50 still gives you plenty of time for working years. Go for it! |
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12/15/2010 5:54:04 PM | [0 Votes] Flag as inappropriate |
I started CR school at age 60 -- 3 years later, I'm still persevering, but am unable to pass 100. What I get is 99% perfect, but I'm only getting 80% of the dictation. I can't seem to stop thinking every word. Very discouraging, and I really don't want to start my new career at age 70! So I've slightly shifted my goal and am doing scoping now. That part's always been easy and enjoyable for me. And I continue to practice writing so I don't lose what I've got just in case some morning I magically wake up and the brain has learned to let go and the fingers have learned to fly! |
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| Kathleen Henrich Matty No way. Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Teresa Russ Yes way. Lol. I`m looking at 50. However, that wasn`t the question, but I know some ladies. You go, Ladies Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Sheri Allen I say you can do it! Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Elizabeth Santos Candidate at age 44 Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Denise Hamilton You can do it..you just have to put in more practice time. I am 37, and just finished this past May. I noticed throughout school that I had to practice a lot more than the younger students. If you love it, don`t give up. It took me 4 and a half years to get through and I still need to pass the CSR. I know all of my hard work will pay off. Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Donna Scott Not in the learning process Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Donna Scott I know Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Donna Scott I know an agency whose best rptr is 75 Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Kathryn Afetian I worried about that when I first started court reporting school, but I seem to be able to keep up with my fellow students as long as I put my practice hours in. So I forgot about my age; I truly believe I - and you - can do it!! Learning this skill is not something that comes naturally to people - it just takes practice. Go for it! I keep hearing it is totally worth it in the end and that encouragement keeps me going!!!! =) Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Christine Loeser I started school at age 49-50 and started working three years later. I haven`t tried taking the RPR exam. My first school closed after I had been there appx 9 months. Then I had to transfer to a school 90 miles away which took me away from home three nights a week. Then that school closed when I was at 180, way too far along to quit so I tried it on line which was a horrible experience for me. I needed the atmosphere of the classroom with live teaching so I gave up the on-line program, foun Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Cheryl Murtha Wesner I just turned 40 and am in my first theory class. I hope it doesn`t take me four years! I don`t have the time to wait that long. It is very challenging! I know I am not as fast a a 20 year old. Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Beverly Thomas I just graduated in May after being in CR school for four years. I passed my last test on May 7th, and my 49th birthday was May 11th. Best birthday present ever! :) Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Cheryl Murtha Wesner Congratulations Beverly! Has anyone completed an online program or currently in an online program? What was your experience? I attend CCR online and have been successful so far. Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Nancy Huestis YES way. If it`s something you truly want to do, then go for it. I am 42 and have been in school for just over a year. I think it all comes down to how badly you want this career. I don`t feel that much older than my classmates. I know I`ve begun taking better care of myself to stay healthy for a career that in all likelihood will be demanding on my back, arms, and hands. Don`t let naysayers discourage you. You can do anything that you have your mind and heart set on. Best of luck to y Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Suzanne Reid Started reporting at 40! Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Julie Morgan I think a lot of the difference comes in responsibility differences. When I was 17 and in school, I had nothing else to do but sit there and practice - no kids, no job, nothing. This enabled me to devote tons of time to practicing and I graduated in 18 months. Also, over the years I`ve noticed i have slowed down in many aspects of life, so I can see how it might be more challenging the older you get. Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Marcie Culliton The 75-year-old reporter is quite an inspiration! I left reporting 10 years ago and am in the process of retraining to be a CART provider. I love the new real time theory! I`ll be 50 next year and it`s so funny hearing 40-year-olds say they don`t have much time. LOL! I`d love to go back to 40 (smile) If you love writing on the machine, I`d say go for it! Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Michelle Andrews-Ting I`m 52 and started school when I was 40 with an infant. It can be done. I now work full time and love it. I also went through the school closures and had to finish up on line which I did not like. If there is a will, there is a way! Thursday, November 25, 2010 | ||
| Kim Johnson I`m 51 and loving school. The rough times were when I started thinking Oh, maybe I`m too old... and I had to snap out of that. The truth is, I have more energy now than I did at 20. And I intend to have a successful career -- in spite of the person who first posted no way on this thread. Negativity sucks -- glad mine was short-lived. And, by the way, if I get tired of court reporting, I may go on for another degree at 80. Limiting yourself is ridiculous. Some have to work harder than others Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Karen Landis I started court reporting school at age 45. I began going nights while working a full time job. I switched to days after 4 years, with only my 190 and 200 ten minute tests left to accomplish. After 1 year of day school, I passed my Qualifier in August of 2010. I just took the California CSR test in October of 2010 and am eagerly awaiting the results. I had MANY obstacles in my way but never let any of them stop me. You can do it!!!!! Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Teresa Russ My I must say I`m impressed and motivated. Perhaps I`m in denial because when I was able to go to school full-time I did just as well as the younger students. I almost forgot I was older than they were. May I say this. I just don`t feel that the younger students do so much better because they are younger. I know sooooo many younger students who are paracticing but still moving at a snail`s pace. No offense. Everybody`s different. Period.I hope this will encourage the over 40 group. Pra Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Dona Coble Yes, way! Received my CSR at 43. Due to family obligations really didn`t work full time until 48 when I became an Official. Five years late,r 53 and loving every minute. Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Jennifer Skierski Thank you for these posts. Just finished school and have been nervous about entering the field due to my age of 40. I am now feeling a little bit more relaxed after reading all your comments... Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Cheryl Murtha Wesner What types of jobs due new reporters usually land? Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Cheryl Haab i did my whole program online. i just took the CSR on October. it`s just a different experience, you have to learn to practice whenever you can fit it in, as opposed to being on a school schedule. i loved it though, i have a young son and i was able to spend time with him and still go to school full-time. Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Donna Scott I have also found that older reporters are better. I am almost 65 and have been reporting for 35 years. The young ones may write like the wind but they lack life experience that gives them common sense in different situations. Plus they want to work between 2 and 4 in the afternoon no more than 3 miles from home in tastefully decorated offices, perhaps an especially easy and paid $4.50 per page. And they won`t proofread. Now those reporters don`t work for me, doncha know. Just sayin`... Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Cheryl MacHauer How bout over 40? Does that count? Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Donna Scott My reporters have been with me for 20 years or more & my core reporters are all over 50 and gorgeous (and beautiful on the inside too) fabulous women & I love them dearly and so do my clients Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Susan Baker Brave girl. Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Lynn Tumino Goff I`m 46 and going for it. Started last February and am working on my 80`s. Like everyone else stated here, I am not as fast as the youngsters but I`m not giving up. GO FOR IT!!! Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Teresa Russ @Donna Leigh Scott Thank you for your input. I have always felt that I bring wisdom and maturity to the table. Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Stacy Metz Okay, I had to chime in on this one. I`m 42 and I`m getting through my speeds and my courses with an at-home course, and I`ve been told that I`m doing great. I say that when you reach a certain age in life, you really know what you`re looking for when it comes to your career. My sister is in her 60`s and she`s been reporting for over 30 years and still going strong. I also scope part-time, so I`ve worked with reporters that are young and old. I agree with Donna in regards to meticulous r Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Rosaly Piderit Thanks Stacy, for not generalizing young people. Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Stacy Metz We all have to start somewhere, young and old. Just because we`re a certain age doesn`t make us any better than the other person that might be older. Yes, with age brings wisdom, but with time brings experience in anything you do. I started in the court reporter field at an older age, close to 40, but I didn`t start off with super-human knowledge in the field of court reporting just because I was older than most of the students. I thought I really had punctuation, legal and medical termino Friday, November 26, 2010 | ||
| Susan Falzarano-Crivello I started school at 48 and graduated first in my class in less than two years. It can be done. Sunday, November 28, 2010 | ||
| Michelle Daniel I`ll be 40 in 6 months, and I just graduated court reporting school in June of this year. My first time around was 20 years ago, I dropped out. It`s no more difficult now than it was then, unfortunately, it wasn`t exactly any easier either lol. I just wanted it more now that I was tired of working a crappy job Monday, November 29, 2010 | ||
| Susan Falzarano-Crivello Michelle, I did the same thing as you. Went to school 30 years ago, graduated and never worked.. had children, raised them and blah, blah. Once they were older, I wanted to go back. You have a different frame of mind when you are older. You don`t have young children to take care of. It is time for you. I loved school. Monday, November 29, 2010 | ||
| Susan Capobianco no, but you can do it. The kids are gone, hopefully, and you can practice, practice, practice. Monday, December 06, 2010 | ||